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Re: Make and model of this mill?
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:57 pm
by PaulV
The shaft has a retaining collar on the end of it. The collar is held in place by a set screw. Once the collar is loose, the shaft will slide out.
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Case data plate.
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Re: Make and model of this mill?
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:05 pm
by aaron1234q
CTXmiller wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:50 pm
I recall there being a set screw of some sort on this. I had the brake system fully disassembled too and any square bolt that could possibly get in the way of the shaft loose too.
I have the set screw loosened in the collar but when I yank on the nose the small gears just knock against their bracket. I have the brake off but not too much else.
Re: Make and model of this mill?
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:06 pm
by aaron1234q
PaulV wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:57 pm
The shaft has a retaining collar on the end of it. The collar is held in place by a set screw. Once the collar is loose, the shaft will slide out.
IMG_8194.JPG
IMG_8195.JPG
IMG_8196.JPG
Case data plate.
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I have the collar loose but it seems to be stuck in the little gears
Re: Make and model of this mill?
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:20 pm
by CTXmiller
Was there water setting in the gearbox so as the small gears could be rusted to the shaft? Someone on here had a good mixture they used to loosen up rusted up items.
Re: Make and model of this mill?
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:41 pm
by aaron1234q
CTXmiller wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:20 pm
Was there water setting in the gearbox so as the small gears could be rusted to the shaft? Someone on here had a good mixture they used to loosen up rusted up items.
There was no water and everything still had a thin layer of oil on it. I’ve taken a hammer and punch to the gears after wedging the nose cap up and I don’t think I’ve gotten it to budge
Re: Make and model of this mill?
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:45 am
by Wayne
I often see the old style style sheet iron with the small rolls at Canton. Tried to by some once to make a vane but couldn't find owner.
Re: Make and model of this mill?
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:02 am
by windybob
Wish I could help more, but I have not had one of these apart. The closest I was to one was a hundred yards, and the guy would not part with it no matter what I offered. However it looks to be not a lot different than Samson in general. I have no idea what kind of bearings are in the box, if any. In my Model M, the shaft was so stuck in the pinions, I had to cut it in 4 places to get it apart, then a new mainshaft was installed. Large gears were also rusted in place, so I cut that shaft also. With steel on cast, any moisture in the case is deadly.
Re: Make and model of this mill?
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:44 pm
by CTXmiller
Same here...wish I could help more. I’ve attached a few more photos.
Re: Make and model of this mill?
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:21 pm
by aaron1234q
CTXmiller wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:44 pm
Same here...wish I could help more. I’ve attached a few more photos.
The name plate on mine is unreadable too but looks nearly identical
Re: Make and model of this mill?
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:21 pm
by aaron1234q
windybob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:02 am
Wish I could help more, but I have not had one of these apart. The closest I was to one was a hundred yards, and the guy would not part with it no matter what I offered. However it looks to be not a lot different than Samson in general. I have no idea what kind of bearings are in the box, if any. In my Model M, the shaft was so stuck in the pinions, I had to cut it in 4 places to get it apart, then a new mainshaft was installed. Large gears were also rusted in place, so I cut that shaft also. With steel on cast, any moisture in the case is deadly.
What did you use as a replacement shaft?